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我看了强东强奸起诉书两遍,我觉得起诉书暗示警方检方贪赃枉法

主要是三点,
1,司机明显目睹了性侵。原告明显准备用司机做为证人。但是警察和检察官肯定都没有采信司机的证词。
    30 ... The foregoing interaction, assault and battery, were witnessed by the chauffeur.
2,警察听到被告是个有钱名人后就把他给放了。没有采取任何措施。即使在原告明确说被强奸之后
    44. As soon as Defendant Liu was removed from her apartment, one of the police officers questioned the Plaintiff about what had happened. The Plaintiff told the law enforcement officer she had been raped by Defendant Liu. The Plaintiff told the interviewing officer that Defendant Liu is an internationally famous and wealthy person and is listed in Forbes Magazine.
    然后刘强东就莫名其妙地给放了。
3, 警察居然都不收集证据。证据都是原告自己收集的。
    45. The hospital employees also took possession of the Plaintiff's bedsheet and underwear so that those items could be logged into police evidence.

https://www.google.com/search?q=27-cv-19-5911

http://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Liu.pdf

再说一遍,不要相信以前的各种谣言误传,现在开始以起诉书为准。这些事实原告说有警察的body camera footage做为证据,有录像的事实,不可能胡说八道,否则直接输官司。
最后编辑steve888 最后编辑于 2019-04-18 08:08:41
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警察来了之后,不是原告主动对警察说是场误会,警察才放过了强东吗?为啥现在说是原告当场告知警察被强奸了?


艾妞妞代言人 发表于 4/17/2019 10:58:25 PM 我看了强东强奸起诉书两遍,我觉得起诉书暗示警方检方贪赃枉法-2楼


原告肯定没说误会。因为警察都戴着摄像头,这个说强奸有视频证据。
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很多人还记得以前的误传。请把以前的误传全部忘记,完全不知道什么地方来的消息,全部是胡说八道。现在开始以起诉书为准。因为起诉书明确说了,"The foregoing all appears on body camera footage." 全部有警察录像做证据,我相信这部分原告不敢胡说八道。
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re这个。当时各大媒体报道的都是第二天下午被带走的,并不是凌晨事发后被带走的。换句话说,如果这个民事起诉书100%还原事实的话,没有任何理由当时检方会放弃刑事诉讼。这是在美国,不存在LQD一手遮天收买警方检方的问题,否则,这个女方可以连带警方检方一起告了。还是看看被告的应诉书和警方出警记录吧。从法律角度看,如果当时真是出警了两次,虽然不改变LQD人渣的事实,但是也只能证明两人发生性关系。民事的诉讼书里提到了去医院做了rape test,只提到了女方身体/床单上有刘人渣的精液,并没有提到有physical的伤痕,甚至是撕扯的衣服,这个都是对女方不利的。

Cherrychocolate 发表于 4/18/2019 7:48:14 AM 我看了强东强奸起诉书两遍,我觉得起诉书暗示警方检方贪赃枉法-4楼我看了强东强奸起诉书两遍,我觉得起诉书暗示警方检方贪赃枉法-4楼[/url]


有body camera footage,这部分无法胡说八道。不要以为在美国,不会发生什么奇怪的事情,me too movement的很多victim都说报警后被忽视。我强烈觉得女生被me too了。强东要么通过关系摆平了警方检方。要么就是检方为了掩盖第一次出警无作为,用一个丑闻掩盖了另外一个丑闻。
最后编辑steve888 最后编辑于 2019-04-18 07:59:53
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boshi 发表于 4/18/2019 8:01:55 AM 我看了强东强奸起诉书两遍,我觉得起诉书暗示警方检方贪赃枉法-5楼


美国法律很有趣。警察和检察官并没有法律义务保护victim。只要他们对victim没有造成伤害,你还告不了他们。
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这个脑洞大了点。你的说法也自相矛盾。检方和警方是两个完全不同的部门,不存在谁替谁掩饰的问题。如果警方被收买,就不会有诉讼书里对原告有利的body camera的footage。这件事当时各大媒体都报道了,警方检方一旦被发现收受贿赂,一辈子的名誉就完了。谁会为了一个中国人冒这么大的险?相反,如果能成功告倒LQD,这是多少检方梦寐以求的大案子啊,扬名立万的机会啊。


Cherrychocolate 发表于 4/18/2019 8:11:00 AM 我看了强东强奸起诉书两遍,我觉得起诉书暗示警方检方贪赃枉法-6楼


这是民事起诉书,和警察检察官无关,所以才会爆出这些料。美国不可能出现直接收贿赂的事情发生。最可能就是人情。强东律师和当地什么人有联系。

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这脑洞更大了,连律师跟警方检方的人情都出来了。民事诉讼跟检方无关,可是哪怕检方当时立案了,民事胜诉的可能性就大大增加,怎么跟检查官没关系呢?警方,那更是中心问题啊。警方的出警记录,警方的报告是给这件事定性的一个重要因素,怎么就无关了呢?Again,如果这个民事诉讼书的内容100%属实,根本解释不了为什么没有刑事案件。还是等等看被告的应诉和警方记录吧。

Cherrychocolate 发表于 4/18/2019 8:31:57 AM 我看了强东强奸起诉书两遍,我觉得起诉书暗示警方检方贪赃枉法-7楼


不要说我脑洞大,我也无法理解警察检方的决定。只能说这件事我们觉得比较热门,在当地可能谁都不知道。一点不影响警察在当地的声誉,也不影响检查官的前程和竞选。
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回复 我看了强东强奸起诉书两遍,我觉得起诉书暗示警方检方贪赃枉法-8楼34楼steve888的帖子[/url]

这是民事案件的起诉书,来自于原告,和刑事案件的起诉书来自于检方不一样。
如果一切民事案件都以起诉书为准,那官司就不用打了,所有案件直接判原告赢就行了。
当地谁也不知道是不可能的,美国主流媒体都报导了。不能想象一个人都不看新闻。


yaner11 发表于 4/18/2019 9:03:46 AM 我看了强东强奸起诉书两遍,我觉得起诉书暗示警方检方贪赃枉法-8楼


这件事有两种可能,一种就是司法系统枉法,另一种就是女生诬告。不是以起诉书为准,而是起诉书里说到的一些内容,因为有body camera footage,实在无法让人怀疑。诬告的可能性就几乎为0。我只能相信司法系统枉法了。
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美国司法系统有没有漏洞?肯定有。但是目前就这个case 起来看,司法系统枉法的可能性很小。还是等等警方出警记录出警报告吧。如果真是有两次出警记录,这个诉讼书里的footage,很有可能只是第二次女方指控导致arrest的footage。女方为什么不提第一次出警的footage?如果由始至终只报过一次警,怎么解释事发后各大媒体报道的下午才arrest的?媒体也被收买了?还是别那么快下结论了,再等等看其他的东西出来后再说吧。

Cherrychocolate 发表于 4/18/2019 9:31:27 AM 我看了强东强奸起诉书两遍,我觉得起诉书暗示警方检方贪赃枉法-9楼

女方说的都是第一次的footage. 所以才奇怪啊。警方检方以前一直不提这件事,直到现在女生起诉我们才知道。我知道你不愿怀疑美国的司法系统,但是你的上述疑问也是我的疑问。所以我只能怀疑司法系统了。
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本着科学八卦的精神,我去搜了一下当时看到的新闻,这是Reuters的报道,警察第一次来根本没有arrest, 刘强东是第二天晚上11点钟在明大的校园里被捕的。

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-jd-com-ceo-insight/the-night-a-chinese-billionaire-was-accused-of-rape-in-minnesota-idUSKCN1M40EQ

Minneapolis police came to her apartment early that morning while Liu was there, but made no arrests, another source familiar with the situation said. Reuters could not determine exactly what occurred during the police visit, but the source said the woman declined to press charges in Liu’s presence.

In a WeChat message with one of her friends, she asked her friend why the billionaire would be interested in “an ordinary girl” like her.

“If it was just me, I could commit suicide immediately,” she wrote. “But I’m afraid that my parents will suffer.”

By Friday morning, she also wrote to one of her two friends that she had told several people about what had happened, including the police, a few friends and at least one teacher. She wrote that she would keep her bed sheets. “Evidence cannot be thrown away,” she wrote.

On Friday afternoon, the student went to a hospital to have a sexual assault forensic test, the source said.

Police officers arrived at a University of Minnesota office shortly after an emergency call around 9 p.m that night. The student was present at the office, alongside school representatives, and accused Liu of rape, the source said.

Representatives for the University of Minnesota declined to comment on detailed questions from Reuters.

Liu came to the university office around 11 p.m. while police were there, according to the person familiar with the matter. As an officer handcuffed him, Liu showed no emotion. “I need an interpreter,” he said, according to the source.
mjtalk 发表于 4/18/2019 10:28:39 AM 我看了强东强奸起诉书两遍,我觉得起诉书暗示警方检方贪赃枉法-10楼我看了强东强奸起诉书两遍,我觉得起诉书暗示警方检方贪赃枉法-10楼[/url]


问题就是出在这个“made no arrest”。女生说了“我被强奸了”,被告光着身体。警察啥都没做,就让被告自己离开了,匪夷所思啊。不符合任何我见到的police protocol。即使是警察知道有人报告被打了一拳,都会带被告方回警局问话。
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